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Senator GORE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Riegle?

Senator RIEGLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

We have been involved this morning in the Banking Committee, as you may know, with the nominee for the position of head of the FDIC. We have also had the Social Security issue on the Senate floor, at least prospectively, and that has occupied myself and others of us.

I would like to ask you, Mr. Chairman -- on the basis of the response, I may want to pose another question to the witness. Has an argument been advanced as to why rating systems have been and seem to be effectively used in rating motion pictures and therefore cannot as readily be adapted to records?

I mean, has there been any convincing reason presented as to why it can be done apparently with some effectiveness in that area of creative material and not as readily done in the record area?

The CHAIRMAN. There has been very little discussion of the relationship between ratings of motion pictures and ratings of records. There has been some reference to it, but very little discussion.

Senator RIEGLE. I take it that the position that has been advanced by the record spokesmen that have appeared is to the effect that full disclosure, any kind of a presenting and writing of the lyrics, when we have material that would be in this area, that would be offensive to many people, that the full disclosure is somehow seen as an invasion of rights? Is that the thrust of the argument that has been advanced?

The CHAIRMAN. I am hesitant to characterize other people's arguments. Mr. Zappa took the position that the printing of lyrics would be something that would be satisfactory to him. He thought that a rating system would be arbitrary and would falsely impugn the integrity of people in the music business.

Senator RIEGLE. Well, it seems to me that the bridge has been crossed in the motion picture business, in effect. Now, the two are not exactly the same, but I think the proposition is essentially the same.

Would it be the view of the National PTA that having taken that step with respect to motion pictures and now having a system there which seems to have met with the general acceptance by both artists and moviemakers as well as the public, that that would be an example of something that would work just as readily in the record business?

Would that be your view?

Mrs. WATERMAN. I think what we are asking for, Senator, is a rating system. You know the National PTA has been on record over the years on their concern for television violence, on their concern on movies, and we did ask for a rating system in movies. We are not asking for a rating system or label on the records restricting age. What we are asking is that that label does provide the consumer who wishes to buy or chooses not to, that he knows what is within that record. So we would not be putting age on it. But the National PTA has been on record in their protection of children and youth over nearly 90 years now in their concern on media, and we have in no way ever encouraged censorship, but we have always asked that the private industry limit themselves to knowing what . . .

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